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Blog post #1 Due Monday, 5/10/10. Give your personal response to the quote from Chapter One.
“Man is the only creature that consumes without producing. He does not give milk, he does not lay eggs, he is too weak to pull the plough, he cannot run fast enough to catch rabbits. Yet he is lord of all of the animals. He sets them to work, he gives them the bare minimum that will prevent them from starving, and the rest he keeps for himself.” Old Major, Animal Farm, Chapter 1 pg. 7.
Blog post #2 Due Wednesday, 5/12/10. Give your personal response to the following questions.
Name the one biggest change that the farm undergoes after the rebellion. Use specific details from the story to support your opinion. Do you think the animals will be better off due to the change? Why or why not?
Blog Post #3 Due Monday, 5/17/10 Give your personal response to the quote from Chapter 10. Remember that this is the final commandment that has been changed. What does this final change mean to the animals of the farm? What point do you think Orwell was trying to make about human nature? Do you agree or disagree with him?
“All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.” Chapter 10, Animal Farm
I think what old major was saying was that humans are the most powerful creature. They don’t use physical abilities but they use their mental abilities to control animals in which way they want. They also calculate how much food to feed any of the animals so that none of them wont die,and saves the rest for himself
I’m glad you pointed out the difference between mental and physical abilities. As we get further into the novel, we’ll see that the two sets of skills definitely result in different outcomes for certain groups of animals.
I think this book is a very good explanation of people’s selfish desire of power and wealth. I also think animal farm gives a good relation and conparism to the serious historical problems we had. The author makes it very clear his point of view of these historical issues we had. He also paraphrases with the more common things we are use to. This is what I think this book is about and doing. (:
I agree with you and i think that if people weren’t trying to be so popular then no one would be better than anyone else, that’s the way i see it!
I will agree with you that there is definitely a theme of greed running throughout the entire novel, but I’m wondering to what historical issues you are referring. What issues do you think Orwell was making a statement about?
I think that old Major is trying to say that animals and humans are different in their own ways. Old Major also thinks the animals work harder than the man because the man doesn’t really do much on the farm besides feeding the animals and taking breaks.
How does he justify to the animals the need to do something as drastic as start a revolution? What does he feel the humans on the farm have done to animals that is bad enough to warrant the animals fighting back with force?
He talked to them, made rules, and sang a song and that got them ready for a revolution against Jones. Old Major feels thet the humans have been treating the animals like slaves.
I think what Old Major was saying was that humans are very powerful and maybe in lots of ways smarter than animals . That humans rely on animals too much for labor and food. Also that the animals can and should do something about how they are treated. Another point is that the humans do not need that much food, so they should share more with the animals considering that the animals produced and or helped produce most of the food. The humans should have a schedule for doing things for the animals not whenever they feel like it .
Do you think at this point in the story the animals realize that the farmer sells a lot of what he gets from them? In these first chapters, they seem to think that the farmer is eating it all himself. I wonder how it will change the animals if and when the find out that their milk, eggs, and other products can be sold or traded for money and other things???
No,I don’t think they realize that he does sell most of what they make or harvest. I don’t think they will realize that farmer Jones sold most of their harvest/products,But they will have the idea to somehow sell their stuff .But I still think that farmer Jones should have spent some of his money on them for extra’s like special treats like carrots for lots of the animals.
I agree with you Rebekah but now that they rebelled against the human and the pigs are basicaly in charge how can they do something about how they are treated?
I think that the entire purpose for the rebellion was so that the pigs could be in charge of the farm. They are the most capable of controlling the farm than anyone else.
I think that old major was trying to say that humans do not produce the things that animals do, but I do not completely agree. Animals produce very “raw” materials. Humans also have a vital job too. To take those materials and refine them into more complex things.
Excellent point. It would be interesting to see an actual numeric value of the two different sides. Which is worth more, creating the milk (like the cows do) or extracting the milk, preparing it to be consumed by people (like he farmer does), or getting it to market? It will be interesting to see if the animals begin to have any realization of the value of the farmer as well.
I think creating the milk is more valuable, but I think that the fact that the farmer takes that milk and can turn it into
something such as Creme’ Brulle (A more complex item) is vital also. So as you can see it is a constant circle pattern.
I think that “Yet he is lord of all of the animals.” Is true because God said that we are the masters of everything. Also I think that “he gives them the bare minimum that will prevent them from starving,” Is true because some people do give animals very little food. But, coming from a pigs point of view, Old Major feels like we are lazy and neglect animals just so we get money.
I really like the way you are taking into consideration the multiple points of view from these chapters. Old Major could seem completely ridiculous and out of his mind, or he could seem very wise and courageous. It all depends on from whose perspective we read the speech.
i think these quote shows how we truly act though we try to justify it we are truly greedy anmials that take without puting something back and we are selfish and that is what this qoute is about.
“We” are? Was Orwell writing about “we”, or is his symbolism aimed at someone else?
(im sorry about that) old major is a pig that has been on earth long enough to see that humans are very greedy. that human take without giving something. old major feels like we humans are monsters and animals will not live or have a well life if the humans still overrule them and can still order animals around.
Major is a 12 year old pig trying to get the animals against humans. He is telling the animals that they are more important than man kind, because man kind can’t do the things they can. He believes that without animals, man kind wouldn’t be able to survive. He is also saying that they work. He’s saying man kind is very greedy and selfish.
Do you think the points he makes are valid or is he just a crazy old pig?
I think old major was a wise old pig that hated humans with a passion. But it is possible that he might have had a crazier side to him if he happened to live longer than he did in the book. I think if he did live longer he might have been able to stop Nipolean.
I agree kyndra. Man kind can be very greedy and selfish and sometimes animals can be at better state and better in the heart and mind than man kind itself.
To Mrs. Smith,
His points can be valid, but also sound crazy. I believe that he has a plan to try to take over the barn, and be the smartest one.
I also agree. Although humans may not notice how much they mistreat animals they still do it. Old Major is saying that in reality mankind isnt capable of doing what animals can. Old Majors feelings seem very hateful towards humans, almost as if he has had a bad expirience that made the thought of humans as horrible people.
Agreeing to what jaylin said old major was a wise old pig and knew what he was talking about but because he was so old mabye there was a side of him that no one else knew about.
I Think He was trying to say that all of the animals are equal, they all give to humans and what do they get in return? Absoulutly Nothing. They Think that this isnt far, in which it isn’t. Humans do less then animals do Old Major was trying to explain. But, they still hurt them after they are used.
What do you think about his accusation that the humans do nothing for the animals? Do you think it’s valid?
If they knew they were used and over worked why didn’t they rebel sooner? Did Old Major know before he just didn’t want to have a major stir up when he was at the farm?
I think this part in this book was talking about how mankind is hurting animals everyday. We use animals for our needs, but we should use other resources instead of animals. This part of the book is also talking about war, and what it has done for the animals.
Think back to the background knowledge we laid before beginning the novel. Is Orwell trying to make a statement about neglectful farmers? At the end of the 2nd chapter, has war touched the lives of those on the farm yet?
I think they are talking about how the man is the king of all the animals(could also refer to people) and how he doesn’t treat them well. It’s a lot like what you were talking about the czar didn’t treat his people right.
You make a good connection. Orwell is not just talking about humans and animals. He’s talking about groups in power as opposed to groups who are under their control. His study is really more of how education can give power and then those in power can become greedy.
I think the way Orwell writes the entire book was supposed to show that evryone can easily be overtaken by power and greed. No matter how much you try that greed can always be in the back of your mind and could make an evil thing out of you.
This section of the story is bout humans having power over animals even though they arent able to do what animals can do. Old Major is speaking out on how unfair humans treat animals, and the lack of heart they have towards them. Humans dont care much for the animals they only care about what the animals can give to them. I think Old Major is trying to say why should humans have so much power when they arent even caring enough or able enough to do what animals are capable of.
Let’s remember that the story is allegory. Orwell really isn’t trying to make any big statements about animal cruelty as much as he is making a comment about how power and greed can impact people.
After the rebellion on the farm i think he animals are starting to do everything they said they wouldnt. They are starting to act more like humas, which was something they where against in the begining. I think this is going to cause more of a rebellion within the animals.
i think that major thinks that the humans are givingg themm little foodd but theyy kill the animalss to get their own food whichh is moree. The humanns have controll overr all the animalss in the farmm
I’m not 100% sure what you’re saying. Why don’t you try elaborating and giving a little more detail so that I can make sure I completely understand your answer.
okk.. major thinks that the humans are killing all of themm to make their own food because humans cant do what they do(producing part).So, the humans arent really worried about the animals which isnt good for them…
I agree with you Nathalie but the humans arent killing just so they can eat beacause they can grow crops in the backyard. Humans think that since its not them getting killed then its fine.The humans do have control on what happens on their farm beacause its theirs but we still shouldnt kill animals for our own personal needs when we can grow food in the backyard.
I think that this quote is saying that even though livestock/animals do most of the things to provide for people and work on the farm, but man is still more powerful.
Also I think that he saying that animals have to work harder than man and man still gets the easy way out without doing much. Also I think that Orwell started this quote to show all the livestock/animals what has been happening over time and what they need to know so that they can stop. Last but not least at the end of chapter 2 the animals started getting greedy with the food they produced for everyone to eat so I think man was placed to give them the bare minuim so they don’t start and keep them for getting greedy. And so that the animals don’t eat to much or each so less but get the amount that they need and he can take the left overs but not be greedy with it. In conclusion thats what I think this quote means.
Interesting idea that you put out there…will there come a point when the animals realize or admit that Farmer Jones possibly knew what he was doing.
Yes but they found out to late and at the end they couldnt even tell the pigs which are animals from humans,
i think old major is correct because we do not product ANYTHING. but we take what is not ours. old major was a wise boar and was a acomplished leader. but old major is not aware that not all animals are treated the same including humans that dont even get the bare minimum of food perday. old major wants the best for all the animals in the world but some animals are happy just the way they are…
Please be sure that you are using complete sentences that follow standard grammatical rules – including those solid rules of capitalizing the first words of sentences!
The quote means that man even though it does not produce anything it owns everything. The animals that do produce only get minimum for working for man. That is what this quote means to me.
What is the significance of that at this very early point of the story. Why has Old Major felt it necessary to call all of the animals in to tell them this obvious fact?
the reason old major calls the animals of the farm to is so they can revolt agianst the human race and take over the farm. the signifcance is that this is the early planning of the revotl
I think major was saying that human (man) is the most powerful creature on earth. They use tools and weapons to get the animals to do wnat they want them to do, without using their brain. People are leveled/ compared by their ability to do work and able to just do and animals produce what the humans need. Animals are slaves and must to what is ther wish of the master or you might not see the light of the next day.
“without using their brain”…..who is the “their”? Are you referring to the animals or the humans? I like that you bring the factor of tools into the discussion. History has shown that often the difference between winning and losing a war can be the tools and weapons available to each side at the time.
Thanks! Sorry for the miscomunication! People are only as good as their weapons is what old m ajor ways saying. In mr. Jones’ case he is only as good if he has his drink. The humans use their weapons use their tools and weapons to make the animals do what they want theem to do without requiring any type of a thinking process on the human part.
I also agree that amajor is saying man is more powerful because of many of the same reason and because the animals really need humans so they can get equal amount of things spilt between others. Also I don’t think the animals are slaves but they can work harder than humans
I think this quote is a fairly accurate description of our selfishness. We take a lot from the world around us but do not give much back. We treat animals cruely without seeing it as a bad thing. That is our nature. But not everyone is like that, and that is where I think Old major was wrong. There are some people who really do care about the world and do give back.
If you think about the quote and your point on selfishness in terms of the allegory present in this story, what comment do you think Orwell could be making about communism and the Russian Revolution?
I think that Old Major is trying to say that the most powerful creature is one who can harvest with out planting. I think Old Major would be the person who first brought the thought of rebellion to the Russian population
You are correct that he is definitely planting the seeds of doubt in the minds of the animals. His dream and the excitement he ignites in the animals is the difference.
I think that this quote means that Man is the leastr superior of animals. That is beacause man does not produce anything at all. Everything man produces was produced by animals. But, even though they are insuperior, they are also the best becasue they own all animals that produce and use their products.
So if I hear you correctly, you are saying that those in power are not always those with the most knowledge or might.
um.. yes
I think that Old Major was trying to explain to the other animals that they are the ones that provide the milk, eggs, and other stuff that people need for food. But while the animals are providing the farmer and his family with food ,but the farmer will provide the bare minimum for the animals. And the animal don’t think it is fair for them to get barly nothing and the people get more then they desirve.
It sounds like you’re speaking of the need for equality. You make a great point. The whole rebellion could have been averted if Jones had made any steps towards making the animals feel some equality.
Yes so maybe if the animals were treated more equily they would have been less likly to rebel. Which would lead to less problems later in the book.
I think what he is trying to say , is that they do so much. But get very little back for all that they do. So he feels that the farmer is being greedy by not giving them back what they really deserve. So old man major is expressing what he feels about the farmer’s unfairness to animals. And believes that the people have it easier, and don’t have to work so hard.
Who would you compare the animals to in terms of the Russian Revolution?
Old major wanted to prove that animals are better but humans still have certain helpful characteristics. he is saying that humans just tell animals what to do but never listen to animals.
i agree!
Do you remember which animals became particularly greedy with the food?
In this selection of words, Old Major is saying that the animals of the farm are whom do all the work. Without the animals, the farmn would be nothing. Although the animals are the main contuibutation, the human is the dominant guy. Without the man, there is no controll of the farm. He cant do those things the animals can, but him himself has a greater role than all of them.
Just like Russia would have been in grave financial trouble if the workers had all decided to stop working. If all of those people had banded together and decided to take action against an injustice, it very well could have made a huge difference on the the czar’s policy.
I agree with this, because they need the humans to feed them, clean them and keep the farm in good condition.
In this passage Old Major is stating that the animals should have more rights. He’s saying that the animals of the farm are being mistreated. The humans give the animals little amounts of food and they keep the rest for themselves. The animals work so much harder but the humans get all the credit. Old Major wants the animals of the farm to agree with him and come together to try to overpower the humans.
I like how you put more than one reason why he said that.
I also agree with you.
Is there any possibility that the animals don’t realize how hard the humans are working?
the qoute to me means that man the only aniaml not to produce owns everything that the animals that do produce. the animals that do produce only get a minimum of what they produce. Also that the animals who do produce are getting mad so they want to revolt. that is what this qoute means to me
Old Major was a pig who lead the animals in a rebilion against the humans . He felt the humans did no work and got all the rewards . He also felt that the humans only gave them enough food to live and work .
What types of rewards would he like for the animals to receive in exchange for their hardwork?
I think this quote means that man don’t produce and animals do.This means that although animals produce and humans don’t,mankind think that they produce more than animals.Thats’s what i think this quote means.
“that man DOESN’T produce and animals do” Let’s avoid those double negatives!
Do you think it’s a fair statement to make about the farm – that the humans are doing nothing?
Old Major was the pig that lead the farm animals. He wanted to start a rebillion against the humans. He felt that they did all the work and that the humans took all the glory for it. He feels there should be a change.
Nice word choice with “glory”!
I agree. Its seem like Old Major feels the strongest out of all the other animals. He has lead the animals, but did they feel just as strongly about this like Old Major, or where they just going along with it ?
Old major was the leader of the pigs. He led the other animals to a rebellion and told them about how they get everything for their hard work. He wants there to be a change.
The biggest change was when Napolen lied and told everyone that Snowball lied about the windmill plan. Everyone thoult that Napolen thoult of it and Snowball stole it. Then Snowball had ran away.
How will this change have the biggest impact on the animals. You need to explain your answer a little more fully to get credit here.
“told them about how they get everything for their hard work”…I’m not following you here. Explain, please.
I think that old major is a grompy pig but this quote this quote helped the animals in rebellion and help them get everything the need his is a great pig
How is old major grumpy? He didnt really help yet. It was just a dream and he was telling everyone that her thoult of. This is going to make a change.
I agree with Jesse – expand on why you think he’s “grumpy”. I think you’ve got a good point, but I want to hear more about why you think so.
The humans need us for their food and their services. Without us they would have to do all the work on their own. Then they only give us bare minimum so that we will live and do more work for them.
Us? Who? How would humans produce milk and eggs without animals?
I think that it means that the man is the one who causes all problems and without them their will be no prob.the first part means that we take and don’t give back and yhis paragraph above is very true to all people
why do you think that man is the root of all the problems and maybe the humans are giving back and they just dont know it
I think that because in the story it did talk about them trying to rebel and when they did all the famine stopped and the slaughtering stopped to.
“true to all people” is a bit broad and generalizing. All humans do their most to harm animals? Is that a fair statement?
I think that Old Major was trying to explain to the other animals that they are the ones providing the milk, eggs, and other stuff that people need for food and that it isn’t fair that they do all the work for them. Without the animals, the farm would be nothing. Old Major is trying to make them realize that they can’t be doing all the work for the humans.
I agree with you because the animals do most of the work at the farm. I think that animals deserve more rights. Animals feed themselves and are independent
Let’s keep in mind that the story is an allegory and not about animal rights.
Nice and concise and a good summary!
Thank Yuh. And yes i know the book is not all about the animals. but the animals are doing all the work, but at the same time they over say things because the farm only sells and gives the milk For there own goods.
I think that old major was saying that if the animals are the ones who “pull all the weight” why shouldnt they have a higher place in society.(This is what happened in the Russia , The workers did all the work for the rich people yet they got little to nothing in return.) He thinks that the work the animals do isnt the same as what they get in return.
Great comparison between the book and the historical event!
I think he’s trying to say that we humans don’t do anything, and give the animals the bare minimal food, only to survive. We don’t produce anything for our selves, and we rely on other animals for food, and other needs/wants, but at the same time we are the “king” of animals.
“we”? Was Orwell making a statement about me and you?
I think basically old major was aying that animals are the ones who do everything and get the minimum of what they diserve. the farmer eats all there eggs and the chikens dont even get any.they take the animals belongings away and then just give them the minimum to nothing.and thats what old major is saying to me.
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I think that it means that humans use animals as tools for there own benefit. That animals do all the work for humans like slaves or workers
I like your use of the words “tools”. I think it’s very effective here because Jones really did seem to treat the animals more like objects that living beings.
I think this quote is about, how humans can’t produce those or do that animals can do.Also that humans need animals help to be able to produce and give to people. Animals get paid by food by which the farmer gives them. another thing is that some farmers don’t care about the animal doing the work when the animals become weak.
Good point – the animal or worker is only good if it’s healthy and able to work.
thank you
I agree that is probably one of the reasons they decided to rebel.
I think that Major is partially right because we don’t give back to the animals we only take. We don’t lay eggs we don’t make milk and we don’t have enough strengh to run fast or pull heavy objects. We do have other responsibilities like keeping populations at a fair level and we also have to do some work so the animals have a nice living space. Sinc e we keep these animals alive and comfortable i think it’s fair that they give back to us to keep us alive.
I think you’re the first post to consider the input of the humans as equally important to the output of the animals. I’m glad you’re considering both sides.
I think that this quote means that humans are to lazy to do things and make other living things do what they want. Which in this case humans use animals as their slaves.
All humans are too lazy to work?
I think what old major was trying to say was that man dosent help us… All he does is use us for his own personal benefit and when he is finished with us, we are slaughtered. So why are we helping him we have brains, we can speak, and we have the same life as some humans… So we need to rebel.
Do you agree that Jones was having no positive impact on the animals?
Old Major thinks that because, he sees the farmer everyday being lazy and not doing as much as the animals. Also because the farmer only gives the animals enough food to survive. Old Major also thinks the farmer is selfish and above all animals. And Old Major thinks the farmer believes himself to be above everyone else.
Was there anything good to be considered about the farmer?
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One of the animals main reasons for rebelling was that they were tired of being pushed around by some other being that is no different than them. However, after the rebellion, all of the pigs start to do the sane thing farmer brown did and they are trying to run animal farm. The animals will be fine after the loss of their main provider ( farmer brown) as long as there is no internal corruption between the animals of animal farm.
Do you mean Farmer Jones?
I’m not understanding from your post which change you think will have the biggest impact on the animals. Try clarifying that for me so that I can give you credit for posting.
I think the biggest change is the fact that there are no more humans to run the farm. I don’t think the animals will be better off because, as before, the pigs have already shown how manipulative they can be over the other animals. When the pigs steal the apples and milk they just used big words to convince the other animals that they are right. I don’t think it’s right that the pigs take an unfair advantage over the other animals, like the dogs for example.
It certainly didn’t take some of the pigs long to forget the teachings of Old Major, did it?
No, Because the animals did not really like his teachings.
In chapter one i think that the quote was trying to say that animals are the ones that do all the work. Then all that the humans do is just consume and they don’t pruduce any goods. Also it is saying that humans only give a limited amount of thanks back to the animals and they take the rest of the credit. So basically its all saying that humans don’t really work for what they have and animals don’t always get what they deserve.
What do you think would have made the animals happy enough to let Jones stay?
I think that the animals would have let jones stayed if he would of had treat them better. Such as let them be wealthy in life and let them sing their wonderful “Beast of England” song. That’s because he was always a grumpy human that really didn’t like to be fooling around.
im pretty sure he’s saying that man takes everything ,works for nothing.animals do all the work but do not get anything from it kind of like a communist russia. thats not true of corse but i could see how the animals would think they are slaves.thats why the animals had to form a rebellion like the peasants of russia did against the czars.
Good comparison between the story and historical events, Justin. Be carefuly with your mechanics when typing in the blog.
I think the old major is trying to say is that man is the only creature that takes without giving back. He cant produce anything like animals can, he cant run fast enough to catch animals but he is controll of animals because he is smarter.
There definitely seems to be a theme in this book that education can give you power, doesn’t there?
i think that old major is right about what he says but the animals arent as smart as the humans therefore they should just go along with what the humans say.
In order to rule, you just need to prove you’re the smartest in your group?
I think that Old Major was trying to say that humans are abusing animals for their own selfish needs, and not giving anything back in return. He’s also saying that humans dont deserve to be the king of all animals because they dont even have the skills to catch a rabbit or pull the plough. this is what i think Old Major was trying to say
It is their lack of skills that keeps the humans from having the respect of Old Major?
i think the biggest change now are the pigs becoming powerful. now that they are powerful they think that they can just eat all the food they want and trick the other animals into being ok with it because they arent as smart as the pigs
dont u think taht the other animals would find out sooner or lata. also dont u think they would not tallerate for that and start a rebelion. also the pigs r already trying to be nice and stick together so y would they break apart there group for food.
maybe but the other animals arent as smart as the pigs and as weve seen they always give in
You make a good point, James, but haven’t we seen the pigs turn on every other animal on the farm? Do you think that if Napoleon wanted more power he would turn on one of his own?
In the next chapters that we read i think that the pig Napolian and snowball are basikly doing the oposite of what old Major had originaly said.So i think the biggest change on the farm is that there are no more humans but to the animals suprize the pig are basiclly turning into the humans.
So the biggest change is that things are really changing….interesting!
Yes so that is why Clover was noticeing all the changes to the 7 commandments. They were basically bending the rules for them so they would not get into trouble.
I think a big change that the farm undergoes after the rebellion is that they got closer. I think they got closer because all the aniamls had to work together to get Jones into the trap.( The animals wouldnt have got Jones into the trap if they did the plan their own ways.) I think the animals are better off after the change because they might listen to each other now.
I agree with you Brittney because the animals need to agree with each other in order to make plans and for them to work.
Interesting point, Brittney. They defintely could not have accomplished the rebellion if they were fighting amongst themselves.
I believe that the biggest change was the animals running the farm. How they each herded food in one day, when it usually took the farmer 3 to 6 days. However I don’t think the animals will be better off with the change. Because the pigs are thought to be the smartest animals, and were the ones to get all the animals together and help make the change. There could be a possibility that the pigs could turn on the other animals and try to control the farm and other animals. It’s a possibility that they could begin to feel powerful.
Interesting……they may be more efficient with the work, but it doesn’t mean they’ll be in a better situation.
One big change that happends to the farm is how they work together, they worked together to get rid of Jones. They are better off with out Jones because they do not have to do everything he tells them to do, they just work together to get work done around the farm faster.
not really johnathan they do work together to get rid of mr.jones but now since napoleon is acting like a dictator and drinking all the milk the other animals want mr.jones back because napoleon threatens them over and over again saying if you dont do this mr.jones will come back. and it gets old hearing it.
They are all working for a common purpose in which they strongly believe.
I say the one biggest change sience the rebellion is that the animals are working together to find food and grow crops and help each ohther at task that they cant do divided. An event in the book that was important was when they started to plow the harvest and almost all the animals came together to help gather the harvest and even the birds came to help pick up the straw that the horses, goats, and dogs cant see. I dont think this is going to last every long because some animals are animals that have greed or want power over everyone else like the pigs. Some time soon when the rest of the farm animals learn what the pigs are up to, war might break loose between animal farm and the farm will be divided.
It could cause them to divide into two factions. We’ll have to read on and see.
I think now that the divide is going between the pigs and dogs against the rest of the farm animals and snow ball will lead them. But i still have a good feeling that Boxer will over work himself and die in the morning when everyone is still asleep crushed by a boulder he tried bring down the hill. But at that time during his death the rest of the animals and Snowball will come and take the farm from Nipolean.
How will snowball get back onto the farm and regain control?
i think the biggest change afetr the reblion is that the pigs are in charge of every animal. and that they now have many set rules that they did not have before.
what in the story helped you make that descision. also what rule are you talking about
Does that make the animals better or worse off than they were before the revolution?
i thinnk old major was trying to say that if the animals do not rebel, then man will always have a sense of control over them. Old Major wanted the animals to at least get a sensse of their own freedom and the control that they need on their own lives. It’s just like the video we watched about the czar and czarina. Even if the czar was born into the power of the throne he had teh ability to make a change in his kingdom, but instead he kept everything to himself and the small amount of nobility that had ties to him. The animals and the people of Russia have the same thing in common;they both wanted rebellion, and there were people that pushed them into the right direction to get that independence.
Good connection!
I think the quote is about animals saying how we are the king of all animals.The quote says we do not feed them good even though their making a good for us.The quote can be similar to the video where one person like Czar was the king and treated his people bad.
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The biggest changes that the farm undergoes are Jones not being there and the difficulty of working the farm by themselves. The tools that are on the farm weren’t made for animals, and the pigs have the most control over everyone. I think that the animals were better off with the change at first because they found ways to get along with what they had, but later in the story i think that the pigs will end up being just like jones and the animals will revolt against the pigs.
Good point! Even though this farm is well equipped, it isn’t necessarily equipped with tools that will be useful to the animals.
i think the biggest change on the farm is that the animals have to harvest the crops the reason this is the biggest change is that normally the humans harvest the crops. in the story most of the harvesting tools were ment to be used by animals with two hands. also the animals have the biggest harvest ever at the farm.
Good point! Even though this farm is well equipped, it isn’t necessarily equipped with tools that will be useful to the animals.
I think the biggest event in the chapters we have read (besides the battle of cowshed) is the conflict between Napolean and Snowball. ever since Napolean started training his puppie army and hid during the battle of cowshed, him and Snowball have argued and disagreed about everything.
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To me the biggest change the farm went under was having animalism (communism). But during the story the pigs start getting greedy. For example, the pigs take the milk and apples and put htem in there food. They then manipulate them to believe what that what they are doing is right. Also Napeleon starts to act like a dictator after he has ran Snowball out of the farrm .
How would you compare this to the event of the time in Russia?
Well in Russia the people who were leaders started getting greedy (just like the pigs) this was also like the event in Russia because the people in Russia thought that over throwing the czar( in this case Jones) would be the best thing for them but when it all bubbled down the czar was better.
We haven’t discussed the end yet, but I will say that I don’t think Orwell was saying that the czar was a better option for the Russians necessarily. I think he was making more of a comment about how greed took over and allowed the original goal of a communist state to really become ruled as a Marxist state…but we’ll talk more about that tomorrow.
It sounds like Old Major is saying that Man should be no different from the animals. But I Disagree with that because all of us living creatures were put on this earth for a reason. The Horses were given the gift of speed and strength, the Cows with Milk, and Birds with flight and so on. But Man or “the humans” were given the gift of Intellegence, and the ability to adapt to our surroundings. So we use the animals for our most basic needs. We also use them for inspiration, wich inovated us to create things such as automobiles, clothing, and even weapons.
I’m impressed with your response, Will. You’re really describing almost the “specialization” of workers.
The pigs start to get cocky. They change the whole meaning of old major’s speech. I think the animals will be better off cause even though they don’t know what’s going on the will have an easier and organized way of life.
If Old Major wouldn’t have told them in the begining would they even be where they are now? The farm animals aren’t twisting the words, the pig’s are. They are just trying to benifit themselves
A little bit of power can sometimes change people.
The biggest change was the Pigs. They got way too much power after overtaking the farm, and they got greedy. They took milk from the cows, and ate the apples from the trees all for themselves. And later when the pigs would have a debate, Napoleon chases away snowball with his 9 vicious dogs that he took and raised from when they were young. And Napoleon ends up useing snowballs idea anyway, he’s trying to play the animals.
I think your right will but I don’t think the pigs changed the most I think that the horses changed the most and the pigeons to because they are working harder than ever
I’d be interested to hear your opinion on how the horses have changed.
It sounds like Napoleon is possibly worse than Jones.
One of the biggest changes is that Napolean was jelouse of Snowball being a hero. and Napolean got back at Snowball by him getting chase by some dogs. The animals won’t be that good with the changes because since its like communist, the animals won’t be able to do what they want. Also since Napolean is in charge know the animals will maybe go to war .
I think that they will end up going to war because they don’t to be bossed around by Napolean. Either its that or they won’t listen to anything Napolean says.
i belive that they will kick napolein out because he is giving himself alittle more creadt then he need lets not forget the battle of cowshed naplein was hiding like a wimp.
What could be a rammification of them trying to overthrow Napoleon?
If the main goal of the animals was to be in more control of their own lives, it hasn’t been a success so far, has it?
One of the rammification would be himm giving the animals little food. And Napoleon has been changing the commandments. Also he has been lying to the animals about Snowball destroying the windmill. No because some animals are treated badly right now fi some bad people. If the animals have control of there lifes’ than they would have freedom and decide to follow rules or not.
One of the biggest changes was when Snowball told all the animals about the windmill idea. Then, all the animals started to like Snowball for this idea. Napolean said it was his idea about the windmill and Snowball stole the idea from him. Napolean starts to get jealous of Snowball. Napolean gets some of the dogs he was training to chase Snowball. Snowball runs away. Napolean is now the leader of the farm, and the animals start liking him.
So we start to see a battle for power on a farm where everyone is supposed to be equal.
I think the biggest turning point or changes that happened in these two chapter were the pigs(smartest animals) started really look out for themselves. Also I think this is the biggest change because they all agreed they are equal and they should not do things like man, but they are being greedy and selfish like Mr.Jones. To support this the pigs really became lazy and made the other animals do the work while the watched or did some(important but not really)planning. I think the animals would not do better with it because when their singing “Beast of England” their saying their equal but not really meaning it.
I like the point you make about the focus of the pigs shifting to only their own well being.
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I think with Napolean in charge after a couple weeks that the trust between them will start to go down hill at a rapid pace. With Naolean having the protection of his dog army, everyone is going and or is afarid to plea their case against Napolean idea or suggestion. With everyone feeling holpeless and under Napolean’s spell the world around them will come crashing down within a blink of an eye. When it hits them it will hit hard. Once they figure out that Napolean had been lying the whole time thye have no way of fighting with his great and powerful army. If they are lucky enough to deaft the evil Napolean the that will be the day they will celebrate and sing “Beasts of England” over and over again. That will be the day when the world will be free of Napolean’s evil little plan/plans.
Do you think they could defeat Napoleon and his dog army?
I think that the biggest change is the pigs and the whole farm’s way.When Mr. Jones was running the farm lots of things never got done like he rarely plowed the fields because he was so drunk.The pigs changed mostly when the war started when Napoleon made out to be a big smart pig when he hid the entire war, (although i probably do that too) and after the war the pigs used the excuse that it was their idea to do all the battle stations so they should get more food so they don’t get tired.
Are you saying that you feel like the farm is in better physical shape than when Jones was in charge?
yes, i thought it was in better physical shape until today when we read that the barn was getting destroyed and that the animals had spent so much time building the windmill and then it got destroyed. also it is no longer peaceful. so friendly wise it is horrible so it was in better socially when Jones was in charge.
I think the biggest change in the animal farm is that things were better ran with the pigs. With Mr. Jones, he was always drunk to do anything. The animals also changed. They created the 7 commandments, but before, they wouldnt dare to say a word. The last thing that changed are the pigs. After Jones left, the pigs automatically took over because they were so smart and it was natural. What happened to the song “Beasts of England”? This isnt equal.
It does seem more orderly, doesn’t it?
I think the biggest change after the Rebellion was when Nepolon chased off Snowball with a pack of dogs. This caused all the animals to fear Nepolon. This event to me is very bad for the rest of the animals, because they have no say in what happens in the farm. When Snowball was there, the animals still have a little say in what goes on around in the farm but they dont anymore.
It would have to be very upsetting for the animals. Seeing the pigs (who are supposed to be on the same side with the other animals) killing fellow animals would have to make some of the realize that things were not going well.
i think that even though the animals are trying not to be lik humans they are,and its changing the farm. With Major not being there its kind of difficult to make what he planed happen. The farm is opposite of what Major planned and its proably not getting anybetter with Nepolion trying to be in charge.
I agree with what you said. Napoleon is taking charge and even though their 7 commandments said “no trading and no dealing with money” Napoleon was talking about trading with the people on the other farm for the things that they needed. If Old Major was still alive the farm would’ve been very different.
And what one change on the farm do you think is the most responsible for this?
Major dieing i guess
I think one of the biggest changes are that the pigs start to be the leaders more than any other animal in the farm. They run the whole rebellion operation and tell all the other animals what to do. In the story they came up with a plan to rebel against the humans and teach all of the other animals that humans are bad. I think the animals will be better off because the pigs seem to know what to do.
It does seem to be more orderly on the farm now that the pigs are in charge.
One of the major eventful changed from the begining is the pigs. The pigs have gained too much power because the have the advantage of knowing how to read and write. since the pigs know these skills, they also know manipulation. They manulipate the animals of the farm to give them more power to control the farm. If Mr. Jones was not booted out of command, there woudldn’t be this manupulation. Napolean makes it feel like its better for the farm animals when its only hurting them in the long run.
Good point. Jones was bad, but there is no information about him being so manipulative.
I like how you said the pigs are using manipulation and using their skills as a big change. Because without the manipulation and skills, the pigs would have nothing todo with the story.
Well one of the biggest changes is that the humans are gone and the animals are ruling the farm. I think the animals wouldnt be better off, because they dont have thumbs so they wont really be able to use tools that the humans used. Also Snowball was kicked out so without Snowball the animals wouldnt have a tactition so they would lose if the humans came again.
Thumbs do come in handy sometimes, don’t they!
i think the biggest changer is the pigs.they are becoming more and more like the humans.the pig read and right and now they have votes and the pig talk for every one in the farm and now they have an army.i believe that in doing so they will learn to appreciate the humans more and relize that there is no difference from animal to manor farm.
I agree with you Isaiah. Because old major had told them that all these things were what we needed to avoid because they are what humans do. And they are disobeying old major’s words.
I agree with you too because the pigs(and some of the other animals.) are starting to become more and more like the humans.
Interesting that becoming more like humans is the one thing that Old Major says they must avoid at all cost, yet it’s the first thing they begin to do.
after the rebellion the animals have more food and more freedom.but as the story goes on we see that thats not the case. Napoleon tricks them into thinking they are free when really he’s a dictator.the pigs are now the superior group and get to drink all the milk and sleep in beds while everyone else sleeps in stys .after this rebellion is over the animals are going to prey they have Jones back!
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well the first thing is that Napoleon and the other pigs started picking up human like qualities. for example the pigs sleeping in beds.then from there Napoleon slowly and sneaky started becoming a dictator.he started communicating with humans for business purposes.all while telling the animals that he was doing good.
I think the biggest change would have to be the fact the snowball was chased off by the puppies napoleon was raising. After that napoleon took over the windmill project and was abusing his power.
I agree because obviously now we know that a bad person is leading the animal farm and the animals are going to learn the hard way.
I agree with both of you. Napoleon is getting way to out of control and the animals will be learning the hard way because he isnt taking anybody elses opinion.
It definitely changes the whole mood on the farm, doesn’t it.
The huge event that happened in the book that changed everything was first all major dieing. Because I thought he was the humble and rightheous leader. Another big event was the war snowball took control of. A human was killed and violence is never the answer. Napoleon chasing snowball out of the farm is also a big step to show the greed and selfish faith of the pigs. They are thirsty for power and they are willing to fight for it. Those are some big steps making a huge difference in the animal farm.
well, i see what your saying liz. but its only napoleon wanting all the power. he is the one acting like the dictator and threatening everyone that mr.jones will come back. and yes when old major dying was sad but all the animals knew it was going to happen soon he was old. so thats probably why snowball stood up and took the responsibility of being the leader of the farm. but being the coward napoleon is and stealing puppies to train them to kill is mainly the turning point. he isn’t helping at all.
Good point, Brian. Why do you think Squealer is so willing to support Napoleon’s drive for power?
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I think that the biggest change on animal farm since the rebellion is that now that the pigs are in control of everything that happens on the farm, the milk, the puppys, and work and jobs.
How is this going to have the biggest impact on the animals out of all of the events of the story?
I think that they arent gonna be better off due to the change at all.When the horse(male forgot the name0 said nepoloion is always right i think his gonna push himself way too hard and maybe die or faint.
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i think that everything has changed ever sice old major died and then snowball took control and after the attack, Nepolean kicked snowball out by using the puppies that he had taken away from their mothers to “teach” them how to become leaders but what he did was turn them into viciuos creatures soo now Nepolean is now taking control and i think it is going to be hard for the animals because they are basically forced to do what Nepolean says nd i think snowball will find his way back and will get his revenge on Nepolean.
Napoleon’s drive for power is changing everything, isn’t it?
yes becuase all he is doing is trying to get the best for himself and he isnt worrying about the other animals aand their well being but since the animals are afraid of what the dogs could do to them they are always easily tricked into thinking that everything Napoleon is doing
After the rebellion, i think the biggest change are the pigs. The pigs are taking advantage of their knowledge and ability to know more than the other animals to take charge. In the book , the pigs are always threatening the other animals saying that Jones will come back. Also he has the dogs at his side. At first I thought that the farm would be better off without the humans because the animals were given more freedom. But now I think that matters will be worse. The fact that Napoleon chased snowball away was very surprising to me. I think the dictatorship of the pigs will get worse and the other farm animals will be put into more hardship.
They seem to be changing it by making it worse.
I think the biggest change would be they would have to work more. They also would have to do the things that the humans could only do and not the animals. They couldn’t stand on their hind legs, so it would be difficult to do many things. They also had to work harder to bring the food in including the hay. Since the pigs were smarter, they wouldn’t have to do the work as the other animals did.
I don’t think this point has been made yet, Kyndra. Eventhough they’re in charge, they are going to have difficulties without the humans.
the biggest change after the rebellion would be when napoleon ran snowball out. napoleon is acting like a dictator and wants all the power so he took the puppies so he can train them to kill. but basically the pigs are the smartest animals in the farm. they really would do well better off with snowball leading since he fought with them in battle of cowshed. Also napoleon threatens them Mr.jones will come back but he uses that so much that now they can careless. because napoleon is hurting them worse then mr.jones did.
Mr. Jones might be a relief by the end of the story!
Thats true, the only reason the animals are scared of Napoleon is because he has those big dogs on his side and they can kill the animals, and because he scares them by saying Jones will come back.
Well what if the dogs have been working with snowball the whole time, but know one new it? I think that this book is very interesting don’t you?
Honestly I don’t believe that the animals will be successful. Between the pigs they are trying to rule. The one who fought with them during the war of cowshed i think that was snowball, he is a leader you would want fearless battle with you. Napoleon would go and hide. Napoleon sees that snowball is a competition and will try to get rid of them. With power comes greed. The more you have the more you want. Oh and the biggest change was that Napoleon started acting like a human. He was doing exactly what he was telling everyone not to be.
He’s breaking the worst rule to break according to Old Major.
In my opinion i think that the pigs have changed the most. Because the pigs are becoming leaders and they are starting to act like humans.The pigs ran the rebellion operation. The pigs always tell the other animals what to do , like they are slaves. Pigs had the plan to rebel against the humans and to teach all the other animals in the farm that humans are bad.The animals wont be better off , because i think they are gonna want snowball back and then they’ll start there on army against the pigs.But then again i think since the pigs are acting like humans , the other animals will appreciate the humans. They will realize theres not a diffrencee.
Is it possible that the pigs are acting worse than the humans?
Yes , because Mr.Jones werent treating the animals as slaves , but the pigs are treating them like slaves. And the pigs are taking advantage of alll the other animals on the farm.
I think the biggest change for the farm is that there aren’t that many humans anymore. The animals are slowly taking charge. I think the animals will not be better off with the change. Because after a while the animals will make SO many changes that they can’t even handle it.
It does seem like they could benefit from pacing the changes they make.
I think your right samaica:) I mean the animals are acting like humans. Also i agree with you that later on they won’t be able to handle so much problems.
I think the biggest change on the farm was all the animal’s having to do everything by themselves since there is no humans on the farm. All the animals are having to work way more to get anything they want since it isn’t being handed over to them like before. Also the Pigs taking charge over everything and every animal is making a big change.
Point well made!
yes very well done, i agree with you 100%!
i think the biggest change for the farm is the pigs being in charge. All the other animals on the farm have to get use to the big change of the pigs taking over. The pigs think they rule everything and everyone.
What kinds of things will the other animals have to get use to?
they will have to get used to not having a say in anything that happeneds to them.Napolean takes the hens milk and eggs for himself when those should be going out to everyone equally on the farm or used to trade with the humans. In I think 6th or 7th chapter alot of the animals were killed beacause the say the had contact with snowball or the hens having dreams about him which i think was a lie just to get killed so they wouldnt deal with Napolean anymore.
The biggest change that happened is that now the animals are not dependent on man for food. Since the animals are not selling their crops, they can eat all they want as long as they are planting each year. Although there are multiple animals instead of one man, the animals only have to work the fields, and they can finish work very quickly, I still do not thing they will continue to prosper. Class systems that consist in the order of most intelligent to the least have already started. If this continues, then the power of the pigs will soon go out of hands.
Great response! Both of your points are excellent – with self reliance there can still be problems and when using a class system, someone always has to be at the bottom of the pile.
Do you still agree that the animals get to eat all they want? Now that we’ve read all of the book, we can tell that thats not the case. The pigs are selling and trading now too. They get fed very little compared to what the pigs get to eat.
The biggest change would be the pig’s greed. People might say that the freedom is the biggest change, but the pigs don’t give them much freedom and assigns them jobs to do instead of helping. i think the animals were better off before. Jones wouldn’t drive off his animals off his farm with dogs.
No….he knew he would be throwing away money if he did that.
But, if the animals didn’t make the food then wouldn’t Jones go back and just sell the animals and get money so he could buy new animals?
I think even though the animals dont want the farmer to be back the pigs are acting greedy. Napoleon is already a dictador and has his own army. He has not been a good leader. He is already treating them worst then Mer.Jones
your right but they do get more food then they did from mr.jones.
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I think the biggest change in the story was when nepoleon took total control over the farm.Also, i thought the battle for the leader of the farm would take lomger. I wonder if anyone will rule over Nepoleon further in the story.
Why do you think Napoleon’s rule will have the biggest impact on the animals? How will it change things?
i think the biggest change was the animals were starting to turn on each other when the rebilian went up. and the animals said that they were not going to act nothing like people but sure enough they were acting like humans and its starting off to a bad start. the animals are not liken this change in my opinion
I don’t recall any animals “turning” on each other as the rebellion happened. Please explain your answer.
i think the biggest change in the story is when napoleon chased out snowball. also how napoleon is making a windmill and calling it his own idea. and how they r ready to fight any humans and how he promises to make changes.
You have listed several changes. Which one do you think had the biggest overall impact on the animals and why?
when napoleon chased snowball out
I think the biggest change is the way they have to live. They can no longer rely on the humans for food and care. They have to rely on each other. They appear to be better off because they got a bigger harvest the first time they had to harvest it themselves. it lokks like it is going to get really bad though because the pigs are taking over and running some of the animals out.
Independence can be scary!
i think that after the rebelion they were doing fine(especially with snowball) but after nepolian starts to trick them and break all the old commandments.he is sleeping in beds and being very greedy.he is now basically a dictator which,is not good at all for the animals.
Why? How is it impacting the animals overall?
I think the biggest change for the animals was the pigs became the leaders. They start to take charge by teaching the animals how to read and write. The pigs just take control and tell everybody what to do. They do listen to the animals when they have debates but when Snowball is ran out they have to listen to Naploine and do not have a say afterwards. This will not be for the best of the animals. Naplonie will eventually take control of the whole farm and the animals will not have a say.
I agree with you Antonio because the pigs in the end have conflicts over power sharing.
Is there anyone that you think could stop Napoleon?
I think that the dogs could stop napoleon because the dogs are to feisty and are much stronger against Napoleon.
I also think that if Jones comes back that he could stop napoleon too.
The biggest change that has happend in the Animal Farm is that the pigs are in charge of everything. That means that all of the other animals have to listen to the pigs because there the smartest animals on the farm. Napolean is one of the pigs that is in charge of everything ,and he is very mean. So all the animals have to do what Napolean says to do. There life will change because of Nepolean.
Maybe Jones wasn’t so bad after all???
I Think the biggest change is that they now have to live on there own. They have no more humans that they can rely on. The pigsw seem to be taking over and kicking ones out. But, the harvest seems to better and they can eat when they want instead of depending on humans.Also, another big change was that snowball was chased off by the puppies naepoleon was raising.
Sometimes being on your own isn’t as great as it seemed like it would be.
I agree with longhornliteracy. People expect that being on their own will be all freedom and no rules. But There are still rules and responsabilities that you have to consider, and some people dont.
Old Major is a pig. He wants very badly to be equal to everyone an the humans just treat all of the farm animals like dirt an never think about how they would feel. The quote means that Old Major is feeling like the humans do a minimum for the animals but then enjoy the things that the animals can give them.
They “enjoy” or they take advantage of the animals? How do you think Old Major would feel?
They take more advantage of them then they should. An Old Major would feel angry and hurt.
A big change is that the animals now have to do things on their own an have to fend for themselves. Everyone is trying to listen to one leader an then agreeing with a completely different person so theyre very confused right now an Mollie then leaves to go with a human. An the farm animals dont like that very much so they never speak of her again.
It is unsettling for the other animals when Snowball and Napoleon disagree. They don’t really know with whom they should side.
I think that the horses changed the most because they now work harder than ever for
nepolean.because boxers response is I will work harder always,and the pigeons are like spies now.
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The biggest change that has happened is that the pigs started becoming the “leaders”. In their commandments they said that in no way shape or form can they become or do anything closely related to what the humans did.Yet the pigs are reading and writing and teaching the other animals how to read and write too.I don’t think the animals are better off due to the change because now the pigs are the “leaders”.(Which they didn’t want).They said that each animal should be in charge of themselves and what produce they make. The pigs are using the cows milk to put in their slop because they “deserve more because they are smarter”.
If everyone was “equal”, would there be leaders?
I don’t think that there would be leaders, because everyone would be the same, and no one would be different. Which in this case would really suck.
i think that old major didn’t think much about the way humans care for the animals. For example calculating how much food they need to survive or making a place for the animals to live like a FARM. I think that now they are noticing that humans use their brains more than their body because back in the cavemen times we used our body yes but we used our brains to plan tricks to catch faster or stronger game.
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in there paper thingy they said they weren going to never act like humans but after this rebelion went up thts exactly wat they did out of all animals i think the pigs changed baecuse they tried to become leaders but it ended up napolen is since he hired the dogs to chase off snowball. the pigs dont to no work they take things from other animals such as the cows they take things from them such as milk and other things
So the biggest change is that things basically remained the same. The pigs are just doing exactly as Jones once did.
RT Mrs. smith : they are actually doing worse then jones to me . they are bringing emtion into it . call me mushy but becoming someones friend then trying to make them do all this work is worse then jus making them work and not getting feelings involed .
I think what old major was trying to is that humans and animals are equally both physically and mentally both ways. The animals are equal to the humans physically because you see the pigs practically telling the other animals what to do.
I agree with America because she is right, the animals are not better off with the change of the pigs being the leaders of the farm. Because they are becoming greedy and the sheep are beginning to realize the pigs changes.
I also as well agree with Ashley because Napolean is forgettng all about the commandments. He is beginning to sleep in the beds, tricking the animals, and being greedy with the food.
I’m not sure he’s forgetting about them, I think he’s only paying attention to them when he wants to.
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I believe that Old Major is saying that man is the enemy of all animals. He believes that the humans are controlling, powerful and lazy. Animals are the ones that are doing all the hard work and man is taking advantage of them. He also believes that man is greedy and takes the majority of the profits for himself and gives just enough to the animals to keep them going.
He really doesn’t seem to have much use for humans at all, does he?
No he really doesn’t.
As we go on in the book i think that their’s major changes. Which don’t bring any good for the farm or the animals. First of all Old Major dies in his sleep, but then the biggest changes i see is that their breaking the seven commandments. Like the pigs (mostly Napolean) started sleeping in beds, being greedy for food, and many other things that mostly humans would do. Also then the animals start noticeing that the pigs might not be the right leaders. All because of how they start to be treated by napolean. They were been forced to work, they barely got sleep and starved. I think that the animals are not better off with the new changes, because then they would have to deal with lots of problems later on.
i think your right . the pigs baicly runing everything . and really making things worse off for the animals . i also noticed you talked about major do you think if he wouldnt have died things wouldve went different ?
The biggest change is that there isn’t really much change in how the animals are treated.
That’s right, the only way the animals would be treated differently is if they change how they want to be treated, in other words if all of the animals team up against Napoleon then he will have no choice but to do as he’s told, right?
As the story goes on , my opinion for this is that they should just stay with the farmer. I say this because imgain how life would be without the farmer. They would’t have nobody to give them food or take them out or anything. Then When Old Major dies, they all try to be like him. First of all Old Major Dies in his sleep, and then the next day they could just leave everything behind and start a new life without him like stop doing what he use to make them do ( like be mean to the people on 2 legs.) They Should Just Forget About That Stuff And Start a New Life.
I think your right because with out some one telling them to do like Jones did they will just be on the farm working some days and killing each other on other days.
But Napoleon is telling them what to do, isn’t he?
Yeahs, seriously they should of just stayed with the farmer in the begining, because they ended up killing each other for the though of working with snowball. and the pigs began taking everything for themselves and treating all the other animals as slaves. If they would of stayed with the mr jones, at least all of the animals would still be treated the same
Chances are good that you are right.
Response to Blog #2
In my opinion, I believe that the biggest change the farm undergoes after the rebellion is that the animals no longer have the humans to help them with the farm. However, the animals learn to use their strength and knowledge to work together as a team to finish the harvest. Due to the fact that the animals are now in charge of the farm, it seems that the pigs believe they are the smarter animal so they begin to take control of it. However, according to their commandments, all animals should be treated equally but the pigs start taking advantage of their power. I think that this change is not going to be better off for the animals because soon they will realize that the pigs are acting just like the humans did and will rebel against them.
Good summary!
To me there wasnt a total change at all . the only thing is the animals are thinking they are doing things on their own . but in actual they are still being told what to do by the pigs . the pigs get the rewards (milk) and do little work . To me the animals arent better or worse with out “Jones”.
The only way things have changed is by staying the same….
As you read further in to the book, it does get hard to see how the animals are any better off now than they were with Jones.
Blog #1:
I think Old Major is trying to get rid of the people on the farm. He thinks that the animals will be better off without the slack of the humans. So at this point he trys to get all the animals to take his side.
What qualities does he feel the animals have that make them better than the humans?
Blog #2:
I think that the biggest change on the animal farm is the pigs. They are taking advantage of all of the other animals. They eat and drink of the food and water and leave all of the others hardly anything to eat of drink. When the pigs try to “explain” why they have done that they say it in such a minupltive way that makes it seem like a win-win to every body.
They’re using very persuasive techniques, aren’t they?
Napolen is now taking over the farm and the animals are sick and tired of napolen.
Ever since napolen got rid of snowball everything has been chaotic.i wonder they will ever try to cross napolen.
They seem resolved to just do as he says for now, don’t they. He’s getting so out of control, you have to hope they’ll wise up soon.
i agree. but what do you mean but the anilas will try to “cross” napolen?
I agree with that what you said. they need to kill that mean napoleon pig.
I Agree. He was getting way out of control.& it should have been stopped.
The biggest change that happend after the rebelion was when snowball was forced to leave animal farm because nepoleans dogs mead him flee.The absence of snowball in animal farm has made the story change dramaticaly, it also got some of the animals murderd by the dogs ,but if snowball was there their lives wouldnt have been taken.
I think that the quote from chapter 10 means that if a animal gains the same power or responsabilites that a human has that animal will change and will not act like all other animals. That animal will have an easyer life and will do any thing to stay the same.
I think your right, because as soon as napolean started acting human things started getting harder for the other animals. And he started treating them like slaves and changing the commandments.
i think you are right because they started with the samw opportunities and responsibilities.
Ithink the biggest change after the rebelion was when snowball was forced to leave animal farm.If snowball didnt leave the farm the animals that confesed about interactions with snowball would have never been murderd.
I think the quote from chapter 10 means that some animals can gain better skill than others but they are stiil considered animals.
I think the pigs are saying that they are equal to the other animals but they should be treated better
i think that old major is just trying to say that humans and animals will never be the same, but i don’t think that he thinks that the animals are being treated fairly. This quote also shows the obstacles that people face when they think that they are all mighty and can do what ever they want,but guess what, there wrong.
When a large group of people are being oppressed, the chances that they will get tired of being held back and attempt to rebel are great.
Well if they got tired of it wouldn’t the all mighty king just kill them, especially when then admit to something. Just like Napoleon did to animals who betrayed him?
I think the biggest change would have to be the fact the snowball was chased off by the small pup’s napoleon was raising. After napoleon took over the windmill project ,and was abusing his power, then the whole farm turned into chaos.
Blog 3: I think that in every animals eyes they are not equal in some way. Like Napoleon is better in his eyes because he can read and write but Boxer can not so he is “better” but Boxer is stronger. they are never going to be equal in each others eyes because in their eyes they are always going to be better then the next animal in someway. Also I think a lot of people are like that too.
Blog 3: i think that every animal is equal in a way, but in Napoleon’s opinion everyone else is just a small tiny pile of dust. While considering that he is probably just going to get killed, he is just scared that the animals are going to turn on him, so he uses them and makes them think that snowball is the bad one!! The point that i think that Orwell is trying to make is that don’t try to be better than anyone else when you know your not. So just be yourself and if other people try to beat you at something, i would say “there’s one thing that you can’t beat me at, showing people who i really am not who i pretend to be”!
I think it means some animals are equal because they look the same, have equal strengths, or have the same weaknesses, but some animals are probably more equal because they work harder or better than another animal at doing something.
Well that is right , but not entirely right, I think. The quote is just saying that the animals are equal, but Napoleon is more equal than the other animals. That’s just tghe way that i see it.
I think that old major is saying he thinks humans a little are better than animals but animals are still very important/good. he says humans dont have to lay eggs or give milk, but the animals can do some important hard work as to we cant.
I’m not sure Old Major would ever say humans were better than animals. He would have indicated that humans feel superior to animals.
in my opinon i think after the rebilian the biggest change was when snowball got chased out. i think so because he used to be the main leader and had alot of power and also the farm was having some hard time with the new leader napoleon.
I don’t know if he was ever their “main leader”, but he certainly had wide spread support from the animals. You’re correct – it changed the mood on the farm drastically. The animals became more aware that their choices would be limited.
i think that the quote means that everything and everyone on earth is the same but leaders and dictaors etc. have the better hand. They are the same but have more power and get the better. I disagree with the commandment and think that you shoul take away “but some are more equal than others”
I think that the animals won’t have equal rights like the other animals. An example would be that the pigs get eat good and get to wear clothes and not do that much on working. So then the animals won’t get treated like the pigs as long as Napoleon tells them. Its saying that some humans can have more rights than the other humans. Orwell is saying that someimes life isn’t fair when some people can live a good life than others who have problems. And some people have follow some rules(like communist) telling them how to live there life.
Very true. You could easily tell that the pigs were getting greedy and stubborn about things!
( Sorry about this late post, I did post this before the due date it was just somehow erased.) I think the biggest change was the pigs taking superiority over all the other animals. They take control by making all of the decisions and making the other animals feel stupid and inferior. I think that the animals were better off without change because they had everything taken care of besides the intoxication moments.
I think that this quote makes “sense” in a literal way, but it doesn’t make “sense” in a mental way. Something cannot be more equal than something else, but it is understandable what it means. Although I do not agree with it. This final change on the farm means that either these animals are going to revolt again or they are going to dumbfoundedly take it. I think that the author was trying to say that human nature is very greedy and selfish at times and I do agree with him.
WOOOWW!!! That book was awesome and i think that the last quote means that some animals can be more equal than others. Also what i really mean is that some animals are treated at a higher level than others. But anyways i disagree, because i think we are all created equally. Not just that but i think that that quote doesn’t make any sense. So because Nepolean changed all the Commentments i think that’s why he started acting like a human, and then at the end basically turned into a human.
I think that that quote makes no sense because equal means the same, and you can really be treated more equal. So what the pigs are really saying is that they are better than the rest of the animals just because they became overwhelmed with power. And I think Orwell is saying that human nature is alot like this, for exsample the holocaust. many Jews were killed just because they were different and Hitler blammed them for anything that went wrong. Same with Napoleon and snowball. So i agree with what point Orwell was trying to make, because i couldnt imagine a world where everyone was treated equal.
Power can make even the good do strange things sometimes.
Post #2
I think the animals have been brain wash. The rebellion was no good for the animals. The pigs started to feel more important and they are acting greedy. They tell the animals that since they are the ones that keep the farm running they should eat more than the others. I think the animals were better off with the farmer.
Post#3
I think the quote is about pigs being more than the other animals. The quote says they are equal even thought the pigs should be treated better. The uptempo is saying that all animals are equal but some are better then others and they should be treated better
Agree, But the pigs don’t want everybody to be equal they want it all..
I think this last quote means that some animals are treated better than others, but no animals are more equal than another. I disagree with this quote. The pigs becomes basically like humans in the end, which is weird because Orwell said to not be like humans at all. They said humans were not good, but now they are friends with the humans and starting to act like them.
i think that this quote was being lead up from the beginning of the story that proves no matter what you are power can go to your head and make u do things you would never dream of.i believe that this means for the animals that they have the same type of life if not worse then when Jones was in control on the farm but the difference is now they are being controlled by pigs as masters. the author is try to show people that it doesn’t matter weather you are more smart the only person that know your best interest and has that in mind is you.
i thnk that when he changed the commandment napoleon felt like the pigs were more important to the world than horses and sheep etc. this dosent make sense because he said they all had equal rights and now they dont.since he did this the animals are all going to leave.
When they changed the comandments it was not not true, it said that all animals were equal, but they relly were not equal. They were all treated differently, the quote is not fair at all. Why would you say all animals are equal, then say that some animals are more equal than others. Then that means there not equal!
The quote is not true or fair. In the quote it says that all anamils are equal, but some are more equal then others. Why would you say that?? Then some animals are not equal and the farm is not equal.
The final change was the biggest change that they have made to the animal farm yet. What they did whas they took away all of the comandments and made one. Which read “all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.” Nothing can be more equal that anything else. I think the point he Orwell was trying to make was that animals were better then humans, and i do not agree with that.
I think the final change ment that we are all equal.(But Orwell thinks they are equal on animal farm even though some of the animals are the “masters”.) Orwell porbably thinks that humans are equal to everything else but, humans have it eaiser. I disagree with Orwell
I’m sorry, but I have to disagree with you. I believe that Orwell was trying to show the comparison by using animals in place of humans. I don’t think he meant that humans are equal to everything else.
I think the final change ment that we are all equal.(But Orwell thinks they are equal on animal farm even though some of the animals are the “masters”.) Orwell porbably thinks that humans are equal to everything else but, humans have it eaiser. I disagree with Orwell.
I think the quote means that the pigs are more equal than the other animals on the farm. They changed that rule because the animals on the farm started questioning the pigs on how they got all of the good things. The pigs are starting to act more like the humans. For example, they slept in beds, wore clothing, and stood on two feet.
Response to Blog #3
The final quote from Chapter 10 is basically stating that the rules on the farm are still the same as they were when Mr. Jones ran it. The only difference now is that there are no longer humans running the farm but the pigs are now in charge and are acting like man. To change to this one commandment only benefits the pig’s power over the farm and the other animals. I think that it relates to human nature because when you give someone a little bit of power they become greedy and abuse their control. However, I disagree with this statement as I think that we should all be treated the same.
I think the qutoe is wrong because it says some are more equal than others which really means that they are better. This final change means some animals will be looked at diffrently and treated diffrently. I think orwell was trying to make a point by saying that this happens with humans. This happend in america because some people thought they were better than other people
I totally agree with you! However, it not only happened in America but all over the world. It’s human nature that some people think they are better than others.
i think that the the qoute in chapter ten is saying that the pigs are showing that they preaty much rule over all the animals on the farm. the change to the qoute means to the animals thaat they are thought of as lesser ut they dont try and fight it because they think tehy will e slaughtered if they speak out about the pigs. i think orwell was trying to say that even tough god has ment for all of us to be equal some people think of themselves as higher up than other people. i agree withhim completely because take the king and queen at the time that he wrote this story they were thought to have been higher up than any one in england. also ack to the revolution in russia, stalin had gained so much power that he was thinking that he could do what ever he wanted which he could and not pay the price but some times when you think you are higher up than everyone is when you get in the most amount of trouble. that is what i thinkabout the qoute, what orwell wanted the qoute to make us think about and if agree or disagree
Blog #3
the quote from chapter 10, basically means if an animal has the power or the brain power to be above the other animals, they would abuse it like any human would with that much power to controll people.
I think the quote in chapter 10 means that all aniamls are not equal. I think this because something cant be more equal than somthing else, if so then they are not equal. This quote shows how unequal the animals are more than how much they are equal. The final change shows how the animals have been brain washed into human ways. The animals are not equal because there are some that think they are better than others.
I think that qoute means that at the beginning of the story that all the animals were against Jones beacause of his lack of understanding them and not caring for them but through out the story the pigs were becoming more like Jones everyday. The pigs basically lived like humans…sleeping in beds,drinking alochol, eating at the table.etc. That quote means that it really matters how much power you have over people and how smart you are because if your smart which most of the animals werent you wouldnt be listening to lies and getting your brain all messed up with all other people telling you what to do and whats good to do..which Squaler and Napolean basically used the animals for their own personally gain because they knew how to work their minds to agree with them.
To me this quote says that a group of animals are equal ,but there is another group of animals that are more rights. The cows, horses, geese, and hens are all equal. Then the pigs have more rights than the rest of the animals. When you read the book the pigs start to sleep in beds, eat at tables, and don’t do any work. While the other animals sleep on haysacks and work. This is what the quote means to me.
I think old maj0r was saying that all animals are equal to one another but one one group of animals for instance the pigs have more power and is treated better than the rest of the animals. As you read along in the book you will start to relize the pigs get treated better like they are sleeping in the begs while the rest of them don’t get to, drink acahol, and barely do any work.
I agree with you but it also depends on how you play your cards. The pigs are treated better because they have dogs because they know they are doing something bad but they still wont stop.
Every animal is equal in a kind of way .But the pig(Napoleon) thinks that there more important than any other animal on the farm. Napoleon makes everyone think that snowball is the bad one , and napoleon might me scared for people to turn on him.Orwell’s point in that qoute is to inform readers dont try to be better then somone , just be yourself. If you be yourself everyone would be equal.The author is trying to inform to people that it doesn’t matter weather you are smarter than someone what matters is you are the only one that knows your best intrest.Show people who you are and other people will do the same. And we all should be equall.I think Orwell is also trying to say show people who you really are .
Blog 3:Every animal is equal in a kind of way .But the pig(Napoleon) thinks that there more important than any other animal on the farm. Napoleon makes everyone think that snowball is the bad one , and napoleon might me scared for people to turn on him.Orwell’s point in that qoute is to inform readers dont try to be better then somone , just be yourself. If you be yourself everyone would be equal.The author is trying to inform to people that it doesn’t matter weather you are smarter than someone what matters is you are the only one that knows your best intrest.Show people who you are and other people will do the same. And we all should be equall.I think Orwell is also trying to say show people who you really are .
I think this quote is really weird because something can not be more equal then someone else. The pigs are trying to take over the farm using this statement. Orwel was trying to point out that some people think that they are better than other people and should be given more. I do not agree with this statement because it does not make sense and it is trying to give othere people or animals more control.
i agree because the pigs totally just took over and were basically dictators.
Actually Malcolm this quote could make sense. Just think about it. This is saying that not all animals are not equal. The pigs are just saying it in a twisted way to get away with it.
i agree and disagree with the quote. All animals are equal , but they can be born with more/less strengtths or weaknesses than another
I think that this quote means that all animals are given equal opportunities and chances with their life but some do not choose the best path so they are not better off. And that The pigs would bwe considered more equal than the others.
To me, this quote makes no sense. The only thing I can say about this quote is that more animals deserve more respect than other animals. Napoleon thinks he and the pigs can do whatever the humans do but says that the other animals can’t.That’s what this quote means to me.
I think the post from Chapter 10 is not true because it changes everything f0r the animals. I think he was trying to make the point that animals have their different points of views that turn them into humans. And NO I do not agree
I don’t think something can be more equal than others. You can only be equal. You can’t be even more equal or else equal itself would mean something else other than the word “equal”.
I agree with this, but the pigs made it where they had more power than the other animals.
i agree because we are all equal no matter how rich or poor. pretty or ugly.ect.
I think the quote has a lot of meaning when it is related to human nature. There are some people who have power and are rich but, there are many people who are not. I think that the equal people are the ones with power, the pigs, and the more equal people are the rest of the farm animals. I agree that this happens in human nature and that some people are a little less equal than others when it comes to comparing themselves with the unpowerfull.
I agree with you Kevin this does relate alot to human nature. That is very well said.
I Don’t agree with the quote because i think because its different for all the animals.They all have different points of veiw which will make them different but they are all equal in certain ways
I think the change to the final Commandment is another way of saying that everyone is equal, but there are more important people in this world. I think Orwell is trying to say that humans think that one race maybe better than all races, but still say that all humans are equal but they are alittle greater. i agree with Orwell, because alot of human races think they are greater than a different race from they skin color.
nothing can be more equal than others because that’s not possible. You can be equal but not more equal than others. which makes the quote kind of mysterious.
I agree. I was sorta confused. I think that it is meant to make the readers question. They may want to leave that door open for thoughts of your own mind.
Old Major was the one to start all this and had a bright and something good for the animals to look forward. When the 7th commandment was put in play, it should’ve stayed in play. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others is only a way for the pigs to gain more controll. The pigs think they’re better than everyone to sleep in beds, or do no work, just so they get the pleasures. Hes trying to tell us they never were treated the same after the Czar was overthrown.
i guess this means that people that are better than other are equal and the people who are average equal.
The qoute means that the pigs have more power than the other farm animals. They get to sleep in the beds, eat different food, drink acohol, and have a house. They arent treated the same as the other animals and they make the other animals do all the work while the pigs get everything.
The quote is kind of confusing, but i agree with it. Its saying that somethings are more important then others. Which if you think about it its true because everyone is born equal it just depends on what you do to keep it that way.
I do think all animals are equal but just because who they are and what they can do makes them unequal to others.
I think that all animals are equal, but that depends on what they do.because if one of them does more they are more equal than others
i do think that all animals are equal.just like people, were the slaves back then any better than us?no they werent.we were all equal.just like animals.animals are all different and becouse some may be smarter it does not make them any equaler.
i think that all animals aren’t eaqual. why i think so? Well take a dog for dogs or if you give it a command it will either obey or disobey but take a dog with more human command experience he will oviously obey. also animals that produce nesessary food ingredients will be taken care of more than animals that do not.
I don’t know I think that all animals are equel I guess but I persi naly don’t see all ANIMALS equel I THINK THAT THOSE WHO WORK HARDER SHOULD get better things but all people are equel no matter what!!!
Davey
I think that i depends on what the animal does different from the rest to not be equal. For example boxer in the animal farm book he went above and beyond for other people. but on the other hand mollie didn’t do all that much and made excuses to get out of doing her share of work.
Well I think that what the author was trying to say was that number 1 there is no way to get rid of humans or human nature. I also think that by the quote he meant that the pigs tthought they were more equal and better than the other animals just like the humans did so technically there was no way to get rid of “jones”.
Well done~
this just doesnt make sense at all how can all animals be equal bet some are greater than others.if they were greater that others they would no longer be equal.this is dumb .this is not how animal farm is sopposed to be.
The Quote ” All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.” Is basically saing that the pigs are trying to keep the animal’s trust but are also trying to say that they are more important than the others without making them mad.
i think that this quote states that even though it seems like the animals are equal, they are not. The animals are so brainwashed into believing what napoleon says that they believe that they are equal, but the pigs get so much more than all the other animals. The pigs get to eat so much food and the other animals are served like they were when Jones was still in charge. The animals aren’t treated right and they are definetly not equal.